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My Final Conclusion; Leave your ignoramus ignorance aside for one moment as I beg on your indulgence for a moment
Topic Started: Sep 22 2012, 03:54 PM (2,180 Views)
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They were only SSj in the Cell Games too right?

And this takes place in the 10 day break like so.
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Sircum
Sep 23 2012, 10:15 PM
They were only SSj in the Cell Games too right?

And this takes place in the 10 day break like so.
I think it's debatable. Nothing says they weren't MSSj.
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Trunks/Vegeta being SSJ is understandable; Broli seems clearly different as SSJ in M10, and RSSJ and SSJ are the same form technicallly, so I guess it works out too.
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Goku and Gohan are MSSj, derp.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It could be a point on just how much Toei actually decides to differentiate between "SSJ" and "MSSJ" From the translation it says that Goku, Gohan and Trunks only became "Super Saiyans" which if your taking the translation 100% literal it means Trunks wasn't in his Grade 2 state and Goku and Gohan were not MSSJ.

But with Toei's way of thinking, it's hard to tell exactly what they were trying to incorporate. There's only one physical difference between SSJ and MSSJ in the manga and that's the aura style, and the anime didn't give a crap what the aura style looked like. MSSJ basically is SSJ, just without the huge stress that was usually on the body, it's not like its a transformation.

You don't go SSJ...then MSSJ. You're either an MSSJ or not.

From the timeline we've got the point where the movie takes place between Cell reaching his perfect form and near the end of the Cell games. Obviously during the start of production the idea of MSSJ didn't even exist and as I've said, its hard to tell just how much information Toei was using from the manga in the movie and how Toei interprets something like MSSJ which honeslty has a broad concept and can't be shown as physically easily as something like SSj2 or SSj3.
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Well, some people still debate Gohan's form at Dabra, just saiyan' :D

Them being SSJ doesn't lower Broli's power much BTW... we still have RSSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku and LSSJ Broly tanking Goku's KHH
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Sep 23 2012, 07:04 PM
And 2x is how people have SSj2 over SSj in SEG.

No matter what each KHH had enough power to be SSj2 level, the fact that Gohan and Goku went SSj2 makes the blast even stronger than SSj2, far stronger.
No, and id like to know how since the MSSj multiplier came into play does it have to do with the other forms?

The MSSJ multiplier is for conserving ki and using it at full blast as much as you want. NOT amplifying your power level. SMH.
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Sep 23 2012, 10:39 PM
Well, some people still debate Gohan's form at Dabra, just saiyan' :D

Them being SSJ doesn't lower Broli's power much BTW... we still have RSSJ Broly > MSSJ Goku and LSSJ Broly tanking Goku's KHH
I think Daiz. 7 has Gohan as an SSj2 against Dabura, not sure which.

well screw whatever the Daiz has to say for that. When you've got literally every aspect of the SSj form in the Dabura fight and you've got every aspect of the SSj2 form before and after the fight and you've got Goku all but saying:

"This is fu*king SSj2 Majin Buu, see the radical aura style and lightning around me means I'm SSJ2, if I didn't have these aspects, I wouldn't fu*king be an SSj2! Allow me to point to you the lightning, see it? This is called lightning. Notice the jagged aura style...quite different from what Gohan was showing during his fight with Dabura.

Hell, if Kaioshin has any sort of knowledge on how to sense Ki than I'm about to become convinced that:

Base Vegeta>>Pui Pui>SSj2 Buu Arc Gohan.

And if we ever find out Kaioshin really can sense ki, than no wonder Vegeta lost it against Gohan. I'd be irked too if the guy in an SSj2 form was potentially weaker than base Zarbon.
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i dont believe in RSSj broly, toriyamas sketch on what is what was clear. Broly with the headband is a broly under paragus control, in no way does it suppress or limit his power recall.
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Sep 23 2012, 11:09 PM
i dont believe in RSSj broly, toriyamas sketch on what is what was clear. Broly with the headband is a broly under paragus control, in no way does it suppress or limit his power recall.
He can't access all of his Super Saiyan power (and power overall) when he's got the band on.
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that sounds like the daiz talking.
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Can someone explain this to me more clearly? i just didn't follow.
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Sep 23 2012, 11:35 PM
that sounds like the daiz talking.
That's what the movie said, man. :(
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no one says its mssj. Its just a ssj but master. but i still call it ssj
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Sep 24 2012, 08:24 PM
Paikuan extreme
Sep 23 2012, 11:35 PM
that sounds like the daiz talking.
That's what the movie said, man. :(
then i will review the movie and listen for it. But i dont remember paragus or the scientist talking about controlling brolys power, only his psychosis.

Brolys backstory mentioning brolys power had to do with just broly being psychotic and out of control, but since he had immense power? and youre an evil mastermind? what would YOU do?

lex luthor tried that same crap with superman, he wanted him as a puppet.

paragus did that to broly, its why he attacked him when he was asleep, brolys outbursts were killing by the thousands.

getting that mind control device on him made him subtle, and docile. Only when he was near goku could broly not control himself, beating the purpose of the band. so it cant be his power paragus is controlling if brolys power rises with every outburst.

Brolys SSj is a natural state for him, he was already MSSJ. His base form proves it.

he shrinks an almost unreal amount in size. and increases 10 fold just in between base and ssj. (or rssj)

its why broly has a bulk form, when he goes maximum he uses all of his power at one time, and his body acclimates to the strain, when he was flipping out, he realized his power WAS out of control, and his body couldnt handle it.

REALLY making me think that he had never used that form before.
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